I have been thinking of this long and hard. Since my last post Atheism WTF? To me many things were put into perspective for me though didn't change that i believe in something that can't be expained but i have another question regarding the fake man in the sky. For all those that believe that God could be nothing but a figment of your imagination or an illusion of humanity. Then how do you explain Love? Is love nothing more the eating alot of chocolate or a chemical imbalance in the brain? We all know love unless you are a mass murder or sociopathy. I would figure that most of you have family or wife/husband and they love you if this is so then why or how? Why does Love even exist?
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When you say "chemical imbalance" it is as if it is not supposed to be that way. It is. It balances exactly as the internal and external stimuli cause it to.
Love is a big subject - infatuation, caring, obsessing, jealousy, comfort, security, familiarity - all of those and many more words cover parts of "love". Each is a different "trick" the brain plays on the mind, to make us care for one another (we're a pack animal) and to make us propagate in favorable directions (natural selection).
I can't find any reason to think that the brains interpretation of emotion is any more complex, or beautiful, than its interpretation of the rate in which photons jiggle.
Leave the emotional baggage behind.... I am talking the legit Love...Pure essences.....
Love is just chemicals man...the same thing that makes you feel good after smoking a cigarette or after donating your time or money for a worthy cause or to a friend, doles out rewards for finding somebody you feel could be a compatible mate. Nothing magic, but wonderful and beautiful nonetheless.
Love benefits us as a species. You'd be hard-pressed to find that it's easier to raise offspring by yourself...especially when you're life consists of hunting and gathering. Life is [read: used to be] tough. Those with 2 parents had a much better chance at surviving. People that were able to find partners were much more likely to reproduce. This compounded as our ancestors' social structure became more and more complex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_%28religious_views%29 explains it away.
oh and gwiz yeah i know how to use wikipedia thanks!
I don't really think there is a point to life, other than living. Is there a point to a rock? I would say no. It's just there. Is there a point to a tree? Arguably more than a rock, but still it's just dynamic instead of static - it grows, why? No reason. It grows because it grows, it multiplies to make more trees grow and that's basically the point.
If multiplying is the point of life though, it's gonna be interesting when our technology allows us to live longer (maybe even forever).
I got to stop drinking and posting but so i guess the question then becomes if it is nothing more then chemicals or relationship based solely on survival then in 50 yrs we would have no need for Love since A) we would be plugged into the Matrix and B) robots will be doing all are surviving for us. Though i have a hard time believing either of these concepts with people belief in Love. Without it then life really has no meaning. Life is then baseless and utterly pointless. So then are you (gwiz&rotten) saying technology will replace Love?
oh and gwiz yeah i know how to use wikipedia thanks!
Um...it's not a conscious decision to have chemicals perform for us...
It'd take thousands to millions of years to get rid of that function. Why do manatees have toenails? It's obviously not necessary for them any longer...however there's no need for them to disappear totally. Unless an individual is born without the "love" function and he or she is able to propagate more fruitfully because of the lack of that function, it's not guaranteed we'll ever lose it. Plus it's just one small part of a complex system.
Rotten: well the function has been around for i would venture to say several thousand yrs or so give or take. I some how don't for see it going anywhere. as for the manatees and toe nails and platypuses with poisonous feet i think that is irrelevant for the topic at hand. Though thanks for the fact on manatees never new....I firmly believe that an individual that has no function as you call it for love is your sociopaths... to me they don't seem to propagate so well within society....
(gwiz&rotten)for me i don't think you actual believe what you write you just write to play the devil's advocate.....
Albert Einstein
No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?
You're very right. Sociopaths have a very hard time adjusting to life. They might be missing some of these hardwired conditions that we have. I'm not quite an expert on the subject, but it does make sense that somebody with so much trouble with social aspects of society will have a hard time propagating. Hence why we're not all sociopaths. It's usually a genetic mutation that stops at a generation or two. Unless something changes drastically in our environment around us, sociopathic people will never have an advantage to breeding over people that can practice social skills.
(gwiz&rotten)for me i don't think you actual believe what you write you just write to play the devil's advocate.....
I can assure you I'm not advocating the devil...that'd be just as worthless as advocating god. Yes I do "believe" what I'm saying. Namely that's just how I understand things based on my cursory knowledge of neurology, psychology, and evolution.
"so important a biological phenomenon as first love"
I'm not convinced it's all that important to the biology. It could be a side-effect of the sex drive. I'll certainly give you that we as people think it is very important (I do too), but seen from a biology standpoint, I don't think it's all that.
Love is important for social reasons, and since we're a social animal our biology has evolved into supporting that. It does so by making you feel like you're in love at times, have unconditional love for others (to protect family, for instance) and can make you jealous (to fend of rivals).
I can also assure you and say that I believe what I say in the same way as RS does. I'm not an expert in brain chemistry, but based on what I do know of it, this is my conclusion so far.
Based on your assumption why would that matter? Would you being saying i have no frame of reference (donny) or that i am inexperienced in Love. If by what the last posts are saying it is encoded within species to know exactly what is what is not Love. This conversation went the route of talking love between a man/women. Though that is one aspect but i was more interested in the Love of humanity. the single acts of kindess. The Ghandi or MLK jr. Love...
yes i am not married but that does not change that i have been in love....
Love isn't some starry eyed 16 year old on a first date. The love you are describing is the love that is presented to children as a sort of trick, to keep things moving along. Children need dreams and ambition, and a lot of that is presented to them at a young age.
True love, as I would define it, is taking responsibility for another person's life. There are many reasons one might be inclined to do this - some may be genetically biased, but everything else that is typically associated with love - caring, lust, affection, generosity, passion, adventure - the things that make it into the stories of "pure love" - you can have any of those things with a stranger off the street.
Loving someone is making a choice to share the consequences of their actions - no matter how poor, or unfortunate they may be. Love is enduring the frustrations of a long stint of serious illness, working 50 hours a week to provide for your family, or coping with the hardship of losing everything you own due to poor investments. There's really nothing glamorous or "magical" about it.
Infinite kindness ala Gandhi is not love. It doesn't take much to perform a single act of kindness. You can walk up to any beggar on the street and tuck $1,000 in his pocket; but would you take up begging right next to him, for the next ten years, if that's what it took to get you both safely out of homelessness?
Maybe I'm a sociopath, but it seems easy enough to explain without a divine spirit
As far as humanity goes, humanity is a concept. While it is not impossible to love a concept, why would you spend the single life you have trying to love the concept of humanity, when you could love an actual human?
Or do you mean you wish to love every human alive? If that is the case, what kind of meaning would your love really have?
I'm not saying that love isn't real, but it is an emotion. Love is like hate, hunger, empathy, etc. It is simply a connection which can happen and which can be broken, betrayed, or committed to despite your biological drives.
And since you brought up religion; Jesus doesn't "love anyone." Jesus is a fictional character, perhaps based on a historical philosopher who has been dead a long long time and whose teachings were filched from a number of other traditions, religions, and sources.
Frankly, the discussion of whether love is at all magical or a sign of God is pretty lame. A much better discussion is the nature of consciousness. That said, I do believe that it is definitely mysterious, but mechanical in nature. All you need to do is look at different types of brain trauma and the way that they affect consciousness to know that we are a biological machine and nothing more.
So in summmary:
Mysterious? Yes.
Hard to understand? Yes.
Magical (religious in origin)? No.