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This clip highlights the major verses that instruct Christians to kill people
* I don't agree with this video, I just knew it was an easy sift*
* I don't agree with this video, I just knew it was an easy sift*
better and without big red bold letters telling me i'm SUPPOSED to feel
repulsed by this.
Seriously..
You can try and press morality on others to try and have them feel the same
way as you do, but don't force your view upon others.
Seriously by the 6th "You should find this repulsive" I was ready to go beat my slaves.
I'm certainly not trying to defend the literal and infallible application of words in the old testament by the various religions derived from it but I would argue that this guy's application of thoughtfulness and intelligence to the issue leads him down the same path to black and white conclusions and calls to action trumpeted by those he seeks to denigrate.
more to the point, alot of these bible thumpers who proclaim the bible and gods goodness simply want to pick and choose what parts to follow. if your going to swallow a pill like this, you have to accept the whole thing, not just what makes you all warm n fuzzy inside.
i will aggree i was rather sick of "this is repulsive" after the first 2 or 3 of em. we get the point already.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not into religion, but this clip looks alot like propaganda.
I feel an underlying message of contempt for believers throughout the clip
I believe "thoughtfull, intelligent people" tend to recognize it for what it is... and i for one don't approve of it as a method to create consensus, one way or the other...
Upvote so people can discuss this ( my prefered method to share opinions )
Yeah, most major religions claim they're the Only Way...again, so what? For anyone with faith it's more likely to believe all paths are valid than none of them.
Stalin and Mao, two of the world's biggest mass murderers--were promoters of atheism. Instead of a god they made the State Almighty. Didn't turn out too well.
Believing nothing in life is greater than yourself and that you're the final authority on what's good or bad invites gullibility several magnitudes higher than the simple religious trying to live their lives with meaning.
You will never get rid of religion: it speaks to what gives life meaning, not how things work.
I've said it before, but the Law was not provided to man to be a measuring stick for righteousness, or for wondering if you measure up to God's standards. The Law was revealed to us so that we can see that there is no way in our state that we can live up to it in full, so we must rely on the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross that relieves us from those consequences.
What is the context for permitting children to be murdered?
What is the context for permitting pregnant women to be "ripped open"?
What is the context for permitting anyone being stoned to death?
What is the context for permitting anyone to own slaves?
Please Doc_M, what exactly is this "context" you speak of?
The reason people are so anti-Christianity and spend so much energy trying to shake some fuck!ng sense into Christian heads is because in north America I have to live, work, commute, and otherwise exist amongst these people. My kids will have to grow up around these people. And both me and my children deserve to be safe from violent and malicious religions, and idiots who are dumb enough to believe in them.
P.S. When was the last time a "violent malicious religion" attacked you?
Translated 5 times? Who cares? People in North America are still worshipping the english/french/spanish versions, regardless of whatever translation version they are reading.
Tolerance? The only thing I am intolerant of is intolerance. I have seen what Christianity (and other religions) has done to the people in my community. I have seen people close their minds and open their wallets, even if they couldn't afford it. I have grown up with people who were molested by "men of the cloth" who were supposedly there to help and guide them. I have read reports of known and documented child-abusing priests and pastors being shuffled off to another church in another town, protected by the church and by "god".
I have seen parents disown their children because of his/her sexual orientation. I have seen churchs foster hate and division within my community, and across the world. I have seen people who forget to think for themselves, and try to get our school boards to stop teching science and start teaching the bible in the school I used to go to. And I fear for the world my son will encounter when he grows older.
Sorry gogronheap - I have seen enough. If you agree to keep your religion to yourself, then we'll be fine. As soon as anyone tries to impose their beliefs on me or my family, thinking they have permission or even urging from a higher power, then we'll have a major problem.
And the biggest problem is, most religious folk don't even realize when they are doing it.
"The Law was revealed to us so that we can see that there is no way in our state that we can live up to it in full, so we must rely on the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross that relieves us from those consequences." -Doc_M
Yeah, it's hard living up to the Laws that say to sell your daughters, enslave people, and kill Christians. (The old testament was for jews so the passages saying to kill those who try to convert you are instructions to kill Christians). But of course that's just mistranslations. The laws which say to stone people to death for god actually said "shake hands, hug, and apologize." Also the gospels of Jesus are actually a mistranslated recipe for baba ganoush. I tried it and it was delicious.
And I refuse to slaughter entire cities like the ancient jewish sects did so I have to worship some fictional character who's a rip-off of the older god Mithras? I'd rather worship Tom Sawyer. He's also a fictional character who came back from the dead (in a way), and all he wants from me is to paint a fence for him.
The more religious a country gets, now or in the past, the more violent it becomes (modern America, medieval Christian Europe, many middle-east countries). And once a country is very religious and follows only 1 religion it breaks into sects and they battle against each other (Iraq). Once the US becomes a religion run country it'll be as violent and backwards as any other theocracy.
Do not ask us. Ask the victims:
Catholic vs Jews -- Gott mit uns (God is with us)
Christian vs Muslim -- 1095 to 1291
Muslim sect vs sect -- Iraq
Christians vs USA -- Funeral Protests
Why are those people with the strongest faith always the most violent?
Gott mit uns - 1945. I doubt you were even alive.
Christian vs Muslim - 1291? Are you kidding? That's over 700 years ago!
Sect vs sect - not unless you're over there.
Christians vs USA? That's the same thing as saying every white guy is a serial killer or every black guy is going to steal your t.v.
Those fucking douche bags (That number in less than 100, by the way) DO NOT represent the vast majority of Christians. Any atheist will tell you that.
You would have been better off with something along the lines of "Sept. 11." Even still, that wasn't a direct attack against you.
Since this particular conversation is already well on its way to becoming useless bickering, I feel no shame in saying that QM is a moron for bringing up Stalin and Mao Zedong again. First, mentioning 2 atheists that did a lot of evil shit says nothing about the validity of the bible or religion. Second, even if it did, citing 2 people out of the billions that have lived in the millenniums past (all six of them!) really doesn't carry much weight. If Stalin and Mao were Catholics/Jews/Presbyterians/Jehovah's Witnesses/etc, they would have been evil fucking Catholics/Jews/Presbyterians/Jehovah's Witnesses/etc. Faith does not prevent evil and atheism does not guarantee it.
There are evil, twisted religious people and there are moral, upstanding atheists. I happen to be one of the latter and I'm tired of being villainized by narrow-minded twits like you.
Most religions are based on spreading themselves, the mormons are an easy target for this - this can be seen as an attack on, well, freedom of religion, which is just an extension of freedom of thought (both are just in your head).
Many good things have been done in the name of religion, and I certainly don't deny its value in history, but many, many evil things have been done in the name of religion and the bible as well. Stalin may have been an atheist, but that wasn't why he did what he did, just as Hitler may have been a catholic; that wasn't why he did what he did. Suicide bombers are doing their thing, excatly because of religion. Atheists don't bomb churches, which is perhaps why they aren't heard in the US - not vocal enough (I'm not encouraging church-bombings, though).
You also hear many learned people, not just the wackos, say, "without the bible we wouldn't have any morality", which is just an absurd thought, seeing that the bible's morality is horrible, and as the video indicates, repulsive. The video's execution could have been better though, I was annoyed with it by the end.
To focus on the bible, it is all too easy to pick-and-choose passages to fit almost any need, which is a fundamental flaw in the belief of it. If you believe in the bible, then you must believe in the whole things, not just what you think is right - that fundamentally flaws the belief, because the bible is self-contradictory on many points.
9/11 and everything that is happening in the middle east today is very good reason to want to persuade people to give up their supernaturalist delusions.
Every point QM raised is thorougly addressed in Dawkins' book, The God Delusion.
For those of you who want top quality discussions on all things religion go to the discussion groups on www.infidels.org
I also think it is ugly to blindly defend whatever you heard first as "the truth", so for me this is a journey in questioning/understanding my own religion and not one of attacking other's religion.
i up voted this couse there is a lot of propaganda from the other side so why not from both and because any church will tell you that the bible is the words of god so if these are things that are written in it, then how can they be wrong ? dose that mean that god can be wrong or that he is wrong? and if you need to go to school to understand and interpret the bible properly then that means it was written by god for a select group of people..?
i think that the bible was made up by people thats why its so crazy and if you really read it you will see that the biggest sin is insubordination example - in sodom and gomorrah lots wife turns to a pillar of salt for looking back at the cities other then that she did nothing wrong wtf she got the same punishment aka death for looking back as the sinners in the cities..
its all sort of funny to me..
That sentence has been quoted quite often. But not often enough.
Not all the verses in the bible are supposed to be from God. A lot of the tests are letters from people to other people, like "The letter from Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians." So alot of what is in there is from man to man, not God to man.
I am sick and tired of people arguing against the bible as if the bible is worth arguing against.
Anyone who expounds religious apologetics on the web is a troll. Don't feed the trolls by engaging their "debate".
The bible is besides the point for Atheists. What Theist, especially Theocrats, do is always the real issue.
The bible is more important than that, however, because so many religious people, obviously, base their lives upon it.
If only this was on the radio and not a venue where those whacko reactionaries wont hear it.
A sense of pity, compassion, and understanding, as most of us atheists at one time or another were in the exact same predicament under the throes of blissful (or maybe fearful?) religious ignorance, instead of intense loathing and hate is in order...this is not giving religion a "free pass" but knowing when to recognize the difference between purely destructive religiosity and the seemingly innocent, harmless, live-and-let-live kind. Making that distinction is another complex debate in itself...
Including the saying by Jesus was ridiculous. It was like the guy was making a parody of his own video within his video. The statement was obvious exaggeration to make a point.
There are plenty of other things in the Bible to criticize.
Honestly you could make it look like the Bible tells us it is OK to pick people off from the roof tops with a rifle if you took the right verses out of context.
*downvote for me
>>> Villanized? Are there villains in the chess club?